Recruit Top 100 Lists
Friday, February 4, 2005 at 10:02PM We'll just run with the Rivals and Scout lists, for now.
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Friday, February 4, 2005 at 10:02PM We'll just run with the Rivals and Scout lists, for now.
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Friday, February 4, 2005 at 09:38PM As promised...
Mostly taken from the Rivals100 list, I've watched video of most, discussed their abilities in some fashion with others.
Recruiting
Thursday, February 3, 2005 at 09:20PM Won't get to listing the classes tonight, that would take up a lot of
space on here, have to think of a condensed way to do it. Maybe
another saved word .doc?
Anyway, the class rankings up tomorrow night when I can sit down and
really grind. Hopefully some comments on the Alabama booster
trial, especially the prosecution's use of the RICO racketeering laws,
and that controversy.
Trouble is also swirling at USC, we'll have some comments on that. Real offseason news!
Tuesday, February 1, 2005 at 04:08PM The recruiting geeks everywhere are taking work off and filling the message boards and chat rooms.
Me, I'll be at work like normal. Not that I don't have at least
thoughts of 1)ditching work for anything or 2)ditching work for
psychotic following of the recruiting news. But alas, it is not
to be.
What I think we'll do on here, is generate some lists of the recruiting
classes of prominent schools, for posterity's sake, so that we can look
back at them later, maybe throw up some class rankings, and maybe even
tonight name some names of prominent recruits to watch.
Nothing fancy, hopefully you aren't disappointed. Or maybe I come
up with a better idea at the last moment and we have a little more
fun. But no promises.
Personally, I don't see a Reggie Bush out there in this year's class,
so it's not as exciting. And certainly no fabled twosome of Ted
Ginn Jr. and Adrian Peterson---but I think college football will
survive.
Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 02:08PM I just ran across these, kind of cool to look at, look back to.
It's weird to me they made an Auburn one yet not a Utah one. If
you've seen my rankings you know I have Utah ahead of Auburn and
strongly feel that way.



Sunday, January 30, 2005 at 01:46PM If you follow recruiting with any kind of passion, you have probably
heard the name Noel Devine. He is a Florida prep football player
with a legendary reputation. I don't have a whole lot of info
about him, but for a while had heard his name and people telling me to
go find some video of him.
Well, I've finally run across a highlight tape of his, which we will
link below. I am more than impressed, and apparently he will be
just a high school junior this upcoming season. The highlights
look unreal. Generally the idea is to be very skeptical of high
school highlight clips, because high school competition is nothing
compared to college, where most games don't even have a legit D-1
player on the field. That makes it tough to compare guys'
abilities to break tackles, relative speed, and so many more aspects of
their abilities.
That's why I generally try to find skills that do translate to another
level-things like vision, top flight speed (more for skill guys than
the regular players), size, quickness of feet, etc. There isn't
always a whole lot to work with. What I'm getting at is that
although the video is amazing, Noel may not be this alltime recruit
he's being hyped to be right now. But he very well could.
I was impressed with how he just blew through the initial wave of
defenders, and spent most of his time in the second and third waves,
and was outrunning those guys once he had a step. The video
reminded me a lot of what I saw of Ted Ginn Jr. in high school, and
somewhat from Reggie Bush. Those are two huge comparisons.
That said, their videos looked like a lot of other great highlight
videos of guys who were barely D-1 players and certainly weren't D-1
stars. That's the trick, to try and distinguish what's legit and
what's not.
My early impression is that Devine looks pretty legit. Definitely someone to keep an eye on.
Anyway, be sure and check out the link below, and ignore all the pictures to find the video link at the bottom.
Noel Devine
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Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 10:36AM Since this is recruiting season, be sure and read this article
about Oregon's recruiting/marketing efforts. We are well aware of
the Joey Harrington billboard that was displayed in New York City, but
in one of their latest pitches, they are creating personalized comic
books and sending them to recruits.
Recruiting,
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Friday, January 28, 2005 at 10:58PM As promised, we have completed our first file, and loaded it into the site. It is called "political football".
The word document is basically a fun look at the various states each
2004 Presidential candidate carried, and the schools and winning
records within those states.
Be sure and stop by our "files" area in the navigation at left to download the file.
Some of the findings-
Thursday, January 27, 2005 at 05:27PM Some new links are coming this weekend, I've saved some I've run
across, will create a few more categories, and get that going.
Tedious stuff, but that's what we're here for.
I'm about 75% done with "Political Football"
and will publish soon. This weekend we'll look at creating a
revised statistics database to put on here. If we follow through
with that, it will be extensive and way too time-consuming, but should
shed some new light on how teams really
performed last year. NCAA statistics are flat and flawed, just
like baseball statistics. You have to know either what stats to
look at or how to manipulate them in order to get a real picture of
what's going on.
This is especially true with college football and all the uneven
scheduling that goes on, along with the strange bifurcated conferences
(Big Twelve, SEC) that exist. We'll get into more of that later.
Just know that we might make a run at some more intelligent statistics
databases on here, much like baseball's great SABR-styled revolution
(read Moneyball
by Michael Lewis for a better idea), but on a smaller scale and with
far less intelligence. I'm not a math major, so I'll probably get
some corrections along the way from people more savvy in the subject
than myself.
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One quick follow-up; When I say time-consuming, I mean it. Don't
expect anything for a few weeks or even months. If I stick to it,
it will be worth it, though. I am basically saying don't expect
anything this weekend, although sneak previews will be on the way as soon as some numbers begin making crunching sounds.
Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 10:31PM The Albert Means saga has been
an ongoing embarrassment for college football and the SEC. For
those who aren't up to speed, Means, a promising high school defensive
player, allowed his high school coach to choose his school for him.
The coach later admitted to soliciting Means to various schools and
coaches who offered various bribes and bids. The situation is now
in one of its various legal processes, and the coach testified today explaining some of what happened.
Prominent schools whose names were dropped include Alabama (already
sanction for this), Tennessee, Michigan State, Memphis, Georgia,
Mississippi, Arkansas and Kentucky.
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Wednesday, January 26, 2005 at 05:35PM I can't say I disagree.
Check out this audio clip
from ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd, click on "Twelfth Night".
Cowherd blasts Oklahoma specifically and the Big 12 in general, and
gets to the meat of what exactly is going on with USC. There are
way too many memorable lines worth quoting, so I'll just let you
listen.
You will need Windows Media player. The clip lasts
about seven minutes.
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I have come across a transcript of Mr. Cowherd's rant. Check it out below---
What conference is soft? Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, who's
soft? I never want to hear Oklahoma football in this phrase together
again "Of all time." Yeah, last year I heard Oklahoma defense [mock
homer announcer voice] "Is the best of all time. They're monsters!
Unblockable! Children are cowering in its wake. Nobody can duplicate
it." Yeah. Wasn't even the best defense in the Sugar Bowl.
Yeah, and this year's Oklahoma, the offensive line [mocking] "The greatest of all time. People are fleeing, it's Godzilla. Nobody can survive...a geeh geh". They weren't the best offensive line on the FIELD last night.
Yeah, greatest freshman running back of all time. Save it, Sooner fan. He was the third best running back on the FIELD. Save it. Your teams, your stars, your coaches are overrated and overhyped. You Sooner fans do way too much talking and e-mailing and no listening.
Listen to this: USC's secondary is better than your receivers. Their running backs are better than your linebackers. Their O-line's better than your D-line. Their coaches embarrassed your coaches and their quarterbacks are big boy Play-on-Sunday quarterbacks. You have nice *college* quarterbacks. And it's not even close.
Go ahead, Big-12, convince yourself how great you are, quote [mocking] "Of all time!" God. Yeah, well last night was an all-time can of whoop. How's that for all-time? So stunning in scope, such a moment of clarity, that the monstrous Big-12 Kool-Aid hype machine was exposed. Lots of talk, lots of jive, lots of all-time bluster and SQUAT, for the second year in a row. Hard not to swallow the Big-12 Kool-Aid.
By the way, the Big-12's the only major conference without a starting NFL quarterback. Freakin'...the Sun Belt, jetBlue, Winn-Dixie conference has three.
Oklahoma's secondary was absurd. Just like Iowa's, like Auburn's last year against USC, like Notre Dame. No, in hindsight all this is obvious. In retrospect, there is one thing we should have all seen. Oklahoma State, a one dimensional, one trick pony offense, passed the ball at will on the Sooners. Texas A&M threw on the Sooners. And these are Big-12 schools with lousy quarterbacks and one dimensional offenses who have been exposed.
Hear, hear, rest of America: Take all Oklahoma and Big-12 success with a grain of salt. Congratulations on 77-nothing. Crap is what it is.
By the way, what you're seeing is a unbelievable, unrivaled sea change in college football. We see it all the time in business. What Southwest Airlines did to travel. What the assembly line did to manufacturing. What Spurrier did at Florida. USC is doing it and they are PULLING AWAY. Since Norm Chow and Pete Carroll figured out this whole combo deal, two and a half years ago, they are 31 and 1. Next year at this time, they'll be 44 and 1. They return everybody.
I want to read you a quote from Bill Walsh. Last night. Who absolutely says it all. Quote, "We are witnessing the evolution of offensive football. Anyone who says you have to establish the run before you can do anything is foolish and fooling themselves. They are living in the deep, dark past. It's just not the way the game's played now. Look at the way the Trojans tore apart Oklahoma, receivers open all night, Leinart hitting receivers all over the field."
Let me broaden this out for those of you who don't like college football, don't get it, not your thing. I'm going to kinda correlate this with the NFL. An NFL friend of mine scouts college teams. He said this year, during practice - and this was before all those USC freshmen got kind of their groove going - USC was the only collegiate team he'd ever seen with 11 NFL players on the field, EVER. And he'd scouted all the Jimmy Johnson Hurricaine clubs.
Two and a half years ago, USC clicked. It took a while, just like it does in a marriage, a friendship, a merger - they clicked. It took them a little bit of over a year. Since that time, "Oh it's those soft Pac-10 defenses." No! No, let me go give you some numbers about all the other *powers*.
55-19, Oklahoma [mocking/crying] "Of all time, dominating, unblockable monsters!"
Michican, 28-14 going away.
That great Iowa team, 38-17.
Auburn, last year, 23-nothing.
Colorado, 40-3.
Notre Dame hammered three times.
Don't give me "the Pac-10's soft" thing. The only team that's played with USC the last two years is Cal. Because they can duplicate or at least SIMULATE USC in preparation, because they have an NFL quarterback. If you don't have an NFL quarterback, if you don't have a guy that can make 35 yard outs, you canNOT beat USC.
Pac-10's soft? Go look at the Aggies. Go look at the Cowboys from Oklahoma State. Go look at the Sooners. Who was SOFT in these bowl games? Pac-10 is 3 and 2, just like every other conference. "But USC..." but NOTHIN'. They are PULLING AWAY. Pro offensive schemes against goofy college coaches still pounding straight ahead and going deep. That's their offense. POUND. "Of all time!" Going deep. It doesn't work.
Ok, and I'm going to tell you something. If I'm a college program, I don't care who you are. USC sees teams with these nice college quarterbacks. USC's all back. 16 of their 22 offensive players are freshmen or sophomores without a redshirt year. And they're just coming off back-to-back the best two recruiting classes some say EVER.
They're changing the game. We see it all the time in football. It's happened so many times. We used to have the single wing, the veer, the option, the 'bone. Then it was Steve Spurrier, spread it out five wide. I don't know what you want to call this Pete Carroll, Norm Chow combo deal. You can call it anything you want, but we are noticing an evolution. 31 and 1, gonna be 44 and 1 and they return everybody. For three years, it's freshmen everywhere.
We've seen it with the 46 defense, we've seen it with the west coast offense, we've seen it with the zone blitz. We've seen radical changes. We are seein' one. I don't know the name for it, but college football's not ever gonna look the same again because of what USC is doing right now.
Monday, January 24, 2005 at 09:04PM National letter-of-intent day is Wednesday, February 2. For all
the recruiting geeks out there (that's many of us), it is a huge
day. Fans of schools across the nation learn the names,
positions, and relative skills of their next crop of future stars, many
of whom won't even play that upcoming season.
I follow recruiting fairly closely, so I'll be sure and mention some
names worth watching as we get closer to LOI Day. We'll see if we
can predict this year's Ted Ginn Jr.'s and Adrian Peterson's (doubtful,
there doesn't appear to be another generational-type player in this
year's class) when that time comes.
Recruiting
Monday, January 24, 2005 at 08:51PM I talked to a reliable contact on Sunday about my Heisman Project
and he said something to the effect of "yeah, if you keep this up for 5
years, maybe" I could get a shot at a Heisman vote. Pretty
disheartening. That said, we'll make a run at it, I really love
the award and it's kind of a dream to be a Heisman voter.
The alternative is to start begging current Heisman voters to will or
allocate their vote to me. That will be a more behind-the-scenes
route, if I choose it. And of course it takes some
convincing. We shall see...
Keeping with the same Heisman thought, here's a question for you-
What do you do if you're USC next year, in terms of promoting a Heisman
candidate? The early-season "default candidate" strategy of
putting Matt Leinart on every magazine cover worked like a charm,
needing only a little extra promotion before the Notre Dame game.
But now Reggie Bush has emerged and Matt Leinart has won his Heisman
trophy. There has been only one repeat winner of the award, Ohio
State's Archie Griffin, and he won one of those thanks to extremely
early ballot mailings, a procedure they changed after USC's Anthony
Davis went nuts against Notre Dame during the regular season but most
ballots had already been mailed.
Does USC try and buck history and support a Leinart run at back-to-back
Heisman trophies? Or do they market a rising star in Bush, who
happens to play tailback at USC, a position with the credentials of 4
Heisman trophies backing it up?
Personally, I would let Matt Leinart do his thing, and get some energy
for Reggie Bush. Try having some stories written about him before
the year, make some election theme, "Bush in '05" or something
revolving around his nickname "The President". Bush is now a
junior and should have a lot more credibility with Heisman voters with
another year of experience under his belt.
Or does USC pack it in and hand the award to Adrian Peterson, who has
the potential to run away with the award if Oklahoma has a great year
and he goes over 2,000 yards?
And then there are dark horse candidates like Florida's Chris Leak, a
guy with a big name, and playing in what should be a great offense and
directing a team that may well go undefeated through the regular season.
Whatever the situation, this year is shaping up to be one of the better
Heisman years ever, eclipsing last year's amazing and unprecedented
field that was a solid two-deep in candidates.
It is heartening to know that HeismanPundit and HeismanProjection.com
will be online tracking the award's ups and downs this year. I'll
be glued to both websites once the field starts to take shape.
You should be, too.
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Monday, January 24, 2005 at 08:46PM I am kind of busy this week, but after a great push on Friday loaded to
satisfaction the necessary links to fill in most of our gaps. In
short, the Resource Links section is ready. I added some other
sections, re-arranged things a bit, and generally ran out of things to
fix after a while.
We'll probably start blogging in earnest next week, I rewarded myself
with an out-of-town trip this weekend and am a bit behind in setting
things up on the computer to make the blogging easier.
Please continue to enjoy the site/blog, we'll have more very soon,
obviously. The big picture is that I'm comfortable with the
current setup, and I rarely can say "ok, that's good" without fretting
for several days and reluctantly giving some kind of thumbs up.
Not so this time. I think the extra few months to test out the
concept elsewhere and the dramatic discovery of this squarespace
software really gave the impetus to complete this project's extensive
early preparations.
Now the fun begins. Besides, I'm certain you are tired of reading
all these "it's coming" messages and would rather just read what we
have to say. Or at least, stop by the links.
We will also continue to add links, I've found some more, and when I get the chance I'll load those too.
Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 11:37PM
Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:17PM We will explore my thoughts on college football's postseason format at
a later time, but this author more or less echoes my sentiments on how
teams and coaches should handle these situations.
The college football media won't necessarily hold the main culprets
(Mack Brown, Tommy Tuberville) accountable for their embarrassing
politicking, but it's up to those individuals to be standup and not
take advantage of the situation. Unfortunately, those two
"leaders of men" were derelict in their duties.
Here's the full story from Kristen Fohrer of Georgetown's The Hoya
Money quote: "Granted, a great deal of money is at stake in
bowls. Yet I cannot fathom how the difference in Money between
the different bowls makes losing one's dignity a worthy price"
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Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 10:03PM From the Orlando Sentinel, via FanBlogs.com
The direct link
Getting into College
By Mike Huguenin and Alan Schmadtke
Sentinel Staff Writers
January 16, 2005
Here is our gauge on how the 119 Division I-A universities rate -- on a
four-level scale -- at getting football players into school. Ratings
were determined through interviews with about two dozen coaches,
conference officials, recruiting coordinators and academic
coordinators. Important to note: Schools are measured only
against schools in their conference. In other words, don't compare a
Big Ten school with a Pac-10 school.
Atlantic Coast -- 12 schools
Buckle down: Duke, Wake Forest
Semi-tough: Boston College, Georgia Tech
Semi-easy: Florida State, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia
All in: Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech
Big East -- 8 schools
Buckle down: None
Semi-tough: Syracuse
Semi-easy: Connecticut, Pittsburgh, USF
All in: Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia
Big Ten -- 11 schools
Buckle down: Northwestern
Semi-tough: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Semi-easy: Indiana, Iowa, Purdue, Wisconsin
All in: Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State
Big 12 -- 12 schools
Buckle down: None
Semi-tough: Missouri
Semi-easy: Baylor, Colorado, Iowa State, Texas, Texas A&M
All in: Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech
Conference USA -- 12 schools
Buckle down: Rice, SMU
Semi-tough: Tulane
Semi-easy: Houston, Tulsa, UCF
All in: East Carolina, Marshall, Memphis, UAB, UTEP, Southern Miss
Mid-American -- 12 schools
Buckle down: Buffalo, Kent State, Miami (Ohio), Ohio U.
Semi-tough: Ball State
Semi-easy: Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, Northern Illinois, Western Michigan
All in: Akron, Bowling Green, Toledo
Mountain West -- 9 schools
Buckle down: Air Force
Semi-tough: Utah
Semi-easy: BYU, New Mexico, TCU, Wyoming
All in: Colorado State, San Diego State, UNLV
Pacific 10 -- 10 schools
Buckle down: Stanford
Semi-tough: UCLA
Semi-easy: Arizona, California, Oregon, USC, Washington
All in: Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State
Southeastern -- 12 schools
Buckle down: Vanderbilt
Semi-tough: Georgia
Semi-easy: Florida, Kentucky, LSU, Ole Miss
All in: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Tennessee
Sun Belt -- 8 schools
Buckle down: None
Semi-tough: UL-Lafayette, UL-Monroe
Semi-easy: FAU, FIU
All in: Arkansas State, Middle Tennessee, North Texas, Troy
Western Athletic -- 9 schools
Buckle down: None
Semi-tough: None
Semi-easy: Fresno State, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada
All in: Boise State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Utah State
Independents -- 4 schools
Buckle down: Army, Navy
Semi-tough: Notre Dame
Semi-easy: None
All in: Temple
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Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 06:55PM Today the second Presidential Inauguration was held for one George W.
Bush. It was a celebration of American democracy and freedom, and
was a huge nod towards tradition and the ties that bind us all.
Flowery stuff, but it's real.
College football is also about tradition, and in that respect we consider this the inauguration period for CollegeFootballResource
at the beginning of a run as the greatest website devoted to college
football on the internet. We take our oath seriously on here, and
look forward to meeting that challenge.
In the meantime, if things go well
I'll have a cool "political" feature on here sometime between Friday
and Tuesday. Of course, it will be related to college football.
Politics
Thursday, January 20, 2005 at 12:34AM At the present I am moving more and more links over from our old
location, and figuring out how best to categorize them on here.
On some I want to store them in several places and that is tedious and
frivolous when you think about it. So there's some mental work as
well as the natural time element involved in getting CollegeFootballResource fully operational.
Ideally I would like to have this thing "ready" to go on Monday, but
you are free to peruse the links and get used to the whole layout,
appearance and gist of this place. I may be out of town this
weekend, a potential further delay of getting up to speed here,but
we'll get there when we get there.
In the meantime, it's link transfer, thinking up ideas for news links
and thinking about blog ideas. I have some really interesting
things to talk about in the near future.
Luckily, this is the slow season, near the end of recruiting and before
spring practices. In other words, a perfect opportunity to get
some work done before the season begins. I promise to blog about
college football very soon on here, and as you can see below, some
discussion has already begun.
Right now this is a one man operation and may continue to more or less
stay that way, but I have some incredible guests I hope to bring on at
times on here, so stay tuned for a potential Powerline type blogging with multiple personalites. Or maybe it will be just me.
Anyway, it's late, so good night for now, see you tomorrow.
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 at 11:36PM The following is a simple exercise to look at next year's Heisman race, borrowing only from Heismandment No. 7:
7. If you are a quarterback or running back at the following schools, you have a good chance to win if you have a very good statistical season, are an upperclassmen and your team wins at least 9 games: Notre Dame, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Ohio State, Michigan, Miami and Florida State. These 9 teams have won 10 of the last 13 Heismans and six of the last seven.Well, if that holds like it did last year, here are the candidates who can win the Heisman from those schools:
It is very likely one of these 15 athletes will win the 2005 Heisman Trophy. Scary, but true.
***
Update 1/2006:
Sure enough, USC's Reggie Bush won the 2005 Heisman Trophy, Texas' Vince Young was the runner-up, and Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn rounded out the top four.
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As an aside, of the schools credited with a Heisman trophy in the last
14 years, the only ones not in Pundit's list are Wisconsin,
Colorado and Florida.
It is interesting Pundit chose 14 years, because that is the break
right after a two-year run by statmasters Andre Ware and Ty
Detmer. Soon after, a Heisman backlash appears to have occurred,
cutting short campaigns by gimmick offense generals such as Drew Brees
and Kliff Kingsbury. In that regard the cutoff is natural and
understandable, an intelligent recognition of modern Heisman voting
patterns.
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